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Poster: billbarstad Date: Jan 7, 2011 6:37am
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: What's all the hoopla?

So you're saying no one's watching so let's allow movies to be stolen? Video-Cellar's research into the copyright status of those films is correct as far as I can see. He has a great track record. They should be removed for decency's sake, and to protect IA.

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Poster: cooperway4 Date: Jan 7, 2011 4:49pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: What's all the hoopla?

His research is not correct. Video-Cellar claims M is under copyright in Germany until 1 January 2047. But it's in the public domain in Germany : http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/M_%E2%80%93_Eine_Stadt_sucht_einen_M%C3%B6rder

And I understand the apprehension of people to accept wikipedia, but this movie was also uploaded to google video viewable in Germany as public domain.

M - http://video.google.de/videoplay?docid=7434905497229204028#
M - Eine Stadt sucht einen Moerder
109 min - Jan 8, 2007
Uploaded by Nero-Film GmbH

Four years on German accessible Google Video and this movie is considered a national treasure and the greatest German film ever made. That would be like Gone with the Wind available here on The U.S. Google Video site for four years. Without a single protest.

And I'm gonna be more apt to trust Video-Cellar's opinion over IMDB's?

The Brother from Another Planet has been public domain since 1984 because it had an incomplete copyright notice which has been verified to be the case.

The only onea trying to steal are people trying to remove these public domain films (and the downloaders of the Bleach episodes and Food, Inc.)

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffVideo-Cellar Date: Jan 7, 2011 6:49pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: What's all the hoopla?

"The Brother from Another Planet has been public domain since 1984"

I am sorry, but that is impossible. Under the 1976 act, any work released without a notice had a period of five years to remedy the ommission by either including a notice in subsequent editions or by registereing the work with the copyright office. The earliest "Brother From Another Planet" could have entered the public domain would have been the beginning of 1990. But as "Brother From Another Planet" was released by Key Video on an authorised video tape as early as 1986 which included a valid copyright notice, it never entered the public domain.

Attached is a screen cap of the copyright notice as it appeared in the original Key Video release. It is in the end credits and exactly the same as it appears in the restored version:

"COPYRIGHT © 1984 A TRAIN FILMS, INC
ALL RIGHTS RESERVED"

This notice meets the requirements of 17 USC 401:

§401. Notice of copyright: Visually perceptible copies
(a)
General provisions. Whenever a work protected under this title is published in the United States or elsewhere by authority of the copyright owner, a notice of copyright as provided by this section may be placed on publicly distributed copies from which the work can be visually perceived, either directly or with the aid of a machine or device.
(b)
Form of notice. If a notice appears on the copies, it shall consist of the following three elements:

(1)
the symbol © (the letter C in a circle), or the word "Copyright", or the abbreviation "Copr."; and
(2)
the year of first publication of the work; in the case of compilations or derivative works incorporating previously published material, the year date of first publication of the compilation or derivative work is sufficient. The year date may be omitted where a pictorial, graphic, or sculptural work, with accompanying text matter, if any, is reproduced in or on greeting cards, postcards, stationery, jewelry, dolls, toys, or any useful articles; and
(3)
the name of the owner of copyright in the work, or an abbreviation by which the name can be recognized, or a generally known alternative designation of the owner.

(c)
Position of notice. The notice shall be affixed to the copies in such manner and location as to give reasonable notice of the claim of copyright. The Register of Copyrights shall prescribe by regulation, as examples, specific methods of affixation and positions of the notice on various types of works that will satisfy this requirement, but these specifications shall not be considered exhaustive.
(d)
Evidentiary weight of notice. If a notice of copyright in the form and position specified by this section appears on the published copy or copies to which a defendant in a copyright infringement suit had access, then no weight shall be given to such a defendant's interposition of a defense based on innocent infringement in mitigation of actual or statutory damages, except as provided in the last sentence of section 504(c)(2)


The notice alone proves that "Brother From Another Planet" (1984) is demonstrably copyright protected. All information to the contrary is incorrect.

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffVideo-Cellar Date: Jan 7, 2011 7:06pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: What's all the hoopla?

I should also mention that, because of the inclusion of the notice, exactly as it appears in the restored edition, in the earliest published edition available to view, I do not believe that this film was originally released to theatres without the inclusion of a valid notice. Infact, I would go so far as to conclude that original cinema prints contained the same notice as appears in the Key Video and MGM DVD.

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffVideo-Cellar Date: Jan 7, 2011 5:44pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: What's all the hoopla?

I would understand the apprehension to believe wikipedia also because i just read through an entire document on the German website that did not mention the film being in the public domain. The closest it came to it was to say that they film was available to download under a creative commons license at Internet Archive. Link to the translated page

Under section 64 of Germany's copyright act the copyright in a film expires 70 calendar years after the death of the last surving credited author. That person is Fritz Lang who died in 1976. So the film enters the public domain there on 1 January 2047.

Just reviewing the original VHS release of "Brother.." more to come.


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Poster: RobbieRogers Date: Jan 7, 2011 9:15am
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: What's all the hoopla?

Re:
--So you're saying no one's watching so let's allow movies to be stolen?--

Sounds good to me.

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Poster: Elric_Dewisant Date: Jan 7, 2011 8:35pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: What's all the hoopla?

This.

Because once IA gets enough takedown notices, Sony, StudioCanal, and all the other studios are going to get fed up and file suit. And guess what happens then. Internet Archive is a non-profit and any big money suit from a media giant is going to shut IA down permanently.

Because, quite obviously, the need to steal new, copyrighted works is far more important than preserving and allowing free and open access to any work in the public domain that few are going to release and no one is going to make any money off of.

And if anyone seriously believes any part of that argument, not only do I have a bridge to sell you, but also the Eiffel Tower and oceanfront property in Idaho. Nevermind that one also happens to be, quite obviously, a complete idiot.

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Jan 8, 2011 8:09am
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: What's all the hoopla?

So RR, in life if you can steal it, do so ?
Where's your stuff ? I'd like to take a peek to see if there is anything I want.
That was a foolish statement RR

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Poster: cooperway4 Date: Jan 7, 2011 5:13pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: What's all the hoopla?

No one said no one's watching but you. And download counts say otherwise. It's been a big shining beacon here and everywhere else that continues to present these films as the public domain films that they are. It's the people who are trying to remove them who are trying to have me believe that there are mysterious rights holders somewhere that have never once come forward while the whole world has announced the public domain status of these public domain films. That these supposed rights holders have been living under a rock somewhere and they know not what is happening. On movies the creator actively worked to restore (any DVD commentary part not withstanding as most other sites don't have that version) and on movies viewed as national treasures and voted #1 German film of all time, nonetheless. Well, I say they have seen and no one comes forward because they know the works are Public Domain.